I'm mildly surprised
I just read the now-closed poll regarding Randymon's question as to how the regs would feel if CSS were turned into a smoke-free resort. Have no idea how I missed this thread altogether, but oh well.
Unless I misread some of the responses, I learned - and much to my surpise to boot - that Couples allows smoking practically anywhere and everywhere thruout its properties. I already knew it allowed smoking, heck I've read and even opined on this subject in a number of others related topics. I guess I didn't realize that they don't have any non-smoking sections inside the restaurants.....or again, did I misunderstand?
Mind you, Rosa and I are non-smokers....but not anti-smokers, being we both use to partake in this now-very expensive habit. So we tend to be a bit empathetic towards those who do smoke. Generally speaking, as long as it's not blowing right in our faces, we tend to just ignore the situation, and if for whatever reason the smoke bothers still us, we'll just quietly move.
Maybe it's because we live in California, which contains the highest concentration of non-smokers than just about anywhere on the planet, we of course take it for granted that nowhere in this state can anyone smoke indoors in any public venue. Heck, even in Vegas, which I like to jokingly refer to as the smoking capital of America, all of their restaurants now must offer a non-smoking section. And their hotels must offer smoke free rooms as well. It's the law.
So while I would have voted against turning CSS into a completely non-smoking resort, I would have nonetheless requested that Couples should take the necessary steps and offer non-smoking areas at least in its restaurants, if it's not already doing so. That's a very fair compromise. I mean, after all this is 2009, not 1959. Jamaica, and Couples in particular, should get with the times.
Ron, I have to agree with you completely and I am very glad that I did see this poll and was able to vote no.
Neither myself or my husband are smokers, both of us are ex-smokers and we have never been to CSS, we have been to CN several times. Smoking at the resorts have never bothered us. The enclosed restaraunts do not allow smoking and the open air ones place the smokers closest to the open air so that smoke won't bother other guests.
While I will be the first to tell you that smoking is not good for you or anyone around you, it is legal and a person has as much right to smoke as I have to not. Does it smell bad, yes it does but so does the over powering cologne some men choose to wear. And before anyone jumps on me about how cologne won't make you sick and secondhand smoke can, I beg to differ, colognes can and do cause migrains and asymtha attacks in a lot of people. For me it is just a bad headache.
Having said all of that, I have never been to CN and been bothered by smoke, either at the pool, on the beach, in a restaurant or in our room.
I think many of us would have no objections to the rooms being smoke free and smoking be allowed only on the patio or deck and that would be for all resorts. I don't think we would be opposed to a designated smoking area while dining either. A complete all out ban on smokers is rather harsh.
As I posted on Randymon's thread about CSS, SweptAway does have a few smoke free areas... Feathers restaurant, the Aura Lounge, and the computer room (all enclosed areas), and, I believe, the spa area. Their al-fresco (open air) restaurants offer segregated smoking and non-smoking areas.
I don't think this is too much to expect in any facility, offering a fair balance to smokers and non-smokers.
Thanks for the response Blondie. Like you and hub, I don't anticipate anyone's smoking to be a bother to Rosa or me either. We are very tolerant people, so I'm 100% sure we'll be fine and interact with smokers just as easily as non-smokers.
Still, I think it's only fair that Couples begins looking into designating a section of each restaurant for non-smokers. It's certainly not a costly request, and I'm willing to wager that even smokers would readily agree to this.
As for the bad cologne, while I've never gotten a headache, nor had my asthma activated as a result of smelling it, I will concur that there are some gawd-awful smelling colognes and perfumes in this world. Oh, and men's hair gel......the worst! Some of those brands smell like industrial solvents!
There are separate smoking and non-smoking sections in the restaurants that allow smoking.
I don't know what the rules are. Maybe I've just been surrounded by considerate people. But after two trips to CN and one to CTI, I've never seen people smoking in restaurants except for Cassava Terrace and The Patio - both open air - and they always seemed to be sitting at the outer edges.
As a smoker I would never be inconsiderate and smoke while people are eating. Or on the beach if the people near me are not smoking. I have witnessed people being intoxicated and acting immature, so lets go all the way and eliminate the bars. And how about the people stay in the pool bar all day,should there be a time limit.How can you drink for hours without relieving yourself? Randy opened a good debate .
The indoor restaurants are non-smoking, the open air restaurants, have "smoking sections". While Bryan and I both smoke, we are very conscience of other non smokers. We do not like people smoking while we are eating either, nor do we like someone blowing it in our faces. I find that MOST guests are tolerant of each others vices. There are those who indulge a little to much and get a little LOUD, and there are those that could knock you over with their cologne. Still we are all one big happy family even with all our imperfections. :D
By the way....how long until you leave????
At CTI you can only smoke outside or your room and not in any closed restaurants,lobby, or the Piano bar. People can smoke in the open air restaurant area at night during the show, I did not see anyone smoking during meal time. CTI has a smoking area, ash trays in front of the logo shop, at the main bar, and on Tower Isle.
First of all, thanks to everyone who has responded for clearing this up. From the way I read the Randymon thread regarding CSS, I was under the impression that the indoor restaurants were smoking as well. Sorry if I misintepreted the posts.
Originally Posted by Bkhiattky
Also, I want to make perfectly clear that I am in no way bagging on those who choose to smoke. As I've previously mentioned, I have partaken in this myself in years past, so I tend to be very understanding in this matter. Live and let live is a motto in life that I tend to go by.
As for you my rescally li'l Ms. Kristen, I've read enough of everyone's posts in here to completely agree that this really is one big happy family - bad cologne and all!! No one is perfect, we all have our little traits and whatnot. I say just screw it and party on Garth!!
Our trip commences the evening of April 9th, catching the red eye out of LAX. Our vacation in paradise begins late morning/early afternoon the next day at CTI. Sadly, I'm still doing the triple digit waltz (very slow dance). ;)
"Heck, even in Vegas, which I like to jokingly refer to as the smoking capital of America, all of their restaurants now must offer a non-smoking section."
Almost right. You actually can't smoke at all in any place that serves food. That also includes bars that serve food. In order to get past it, the bars are now buidling glass walls to seperate the areas where you eat from those where people can smoke. This is considered a seperate structure and is accpeted under the law. That only happens in the bars. All other restaurants are completely smoke free, even in the casinos.
So if you ever come to Vegas there is no need to ask for a non-smoking seat!
I, sadly, am still doing the triple digit tango too.....never knew how slow that dance was....it doesn't look that slow on Dancing with the Stars!!
Ron & Rosa,
We'll be right behind you, arriving at CTI on the 11th, yes it's a very slow dance!!
As for smoking I hope they keep it fair, I'm a smoker trying very hard to be a non-smoker, it's an extremely hard habit to break, for me anyway and whether I am or not I still believe in smoking and non-smoking sections.
Last year when we were at CSA, I was not smoking and the smokers never bothered me. Please just keep it fair.
Mike, thanks for the heads up on the updated laws, I didn't know they had gone that far. Fascinating. I guess I haven't paid attention much the last few times we went, but now that you mention it, I don't recall noticing anyone smoking in the restaurants.
Originally Posted by UNLVmike
Ready, I agree with you 100%. Respect everyone and keep it fair, that's the reasonable thing to do. We'll have to make sure we all get together at some point during our stay and tip a glass or two. :)
Originally Posted by Readyfornegril
I think the bottom line is, that despite most people admitting that smoking is unhealthy, they do have the right to choose.
Would I like to see Couples as smoke-free? Absolutely. Is that likely to happen? Although stranger things have happened, it seems very unlikely.
Most smokers that I know do attempt to be considerate of non-smokers. However, as they cannot control the weather, they cannot always control the direction the breeze blows their smoke.
I've never noticed the smell of smoke in the rooms we've stayed in, but, I did found it irritating when sitting at the Cassava Terrace at CN. Smokers were usually seated around the outside, but, you simply cannot prevent smoke from drifting into the restaurant - the overhead fans blow the smoke everywhere. Eggs and nicotine simply aren't the meal of choice for many people. Plus, why should non-smokers be denied the beautiful view towards the pool and beach?
Whilst I don't think it would currently be practical (or fair) to make the resorts completely smoke free, I really think it would be wonderful if all restaurants (inside and outside) were deemed smoke free. That would still allow smokers their freedom of choice, and, may provide some satisfaction to non-smokers. The remainder of the resort would still be open for anyone who wished to smoke.
You will never satisfy everyone, but, a compromise such as this would be a good first step.
Ron & Rosa,
Sounds like a plan, since I've never been to CTI I'll just say lets meet at the swim up bar, that's usually where we are at CSA so I don't think CTI will be much different in that respect!!
I see no need to make the entire resorts non-smoking. I wish Couples would take the step to make all restaurants non-smoking during meal times... even the outdoor restaurants. At Heliconia, the nicest place to have dinner is the area where they allow smoking. While usually not a problem my wife and have experienced dinners where cigarette smoke is drifting across our table. Not a big deal but it would be nicer without the smoke.
At CTI there is no smoking in the enclosed restaurants and piano bar. The patio has smoking and non-smoking sections. As far as the rooms being smoke-free its not fair to the smokers. As I have said before everyone including smokers pay a lot of money to go on vacation and should be allowed to smoke in their room if they want. Some of the posts make me laugh, you want no smoking in restaurants, open restaurants, bedroom, beach, etc. well than where are the smokers supposed to smoke? Plus I feel it is wrong to tell people that they shouldn't smoke. I have read some previous posts where people are putting down the smokers and I think that is wrong. Who are we to tell someone that they should not smoke. We are not their parents! Let's be honest there are alot of people smoking other things and also cigars. At CTI there is a happy balance. I feel Couples would lose a lot of people if they decided to make CSS all non-smoking or even the rooms at any of the Couples resorts for that matter.
I am a former cigarette smoker that has taken up cigars with my cocktail. We have been to all the Couples at least twice before when I smoked cigaretts but did not notice cigar rules if any? I would never smoke a cigar where it would bother anyone. I did notice they sell many cigars in the resort shops.
Ngut54t-I agree with you 100%. All restaurants should be non-smoking for all the reasons you gave.